Linda: But we’re born, we live, we die, yes?
Ly: That’s a simplistic and objectified way of understanding life, yes. But life isn’t that simple because nothing comes from nothing, so there can’t be nothing.
Ly: My son got into trouble in 5th class by disagreeing with his math teacher when she said zero means nothing…
Ly: (laughing) Genealogists and geologists are not dissimilar, but we get troubled by modern terminology, like Australia and France. There’s no such places, and Australian and French… there’s no such people.
Linda: Genesis the Future is written from an age that seems about a thousand years from now. Do you believe the events prophesied in the beginning will happen?
Ly: They already are. And it’s a few more millennia than that.
Linda: But you made the story up, yes?
Ly: I’d like to think I did. I’d like to think I was a respectable storyteller. I’m pulling several sources though, and a lifetime of reading everything from Von Daniken to the Old Testament of the christian bible, from the Edda and the Book of Kells to creation stories from many indigenous cultures. No, I’m filling in the blanks to hopefully make it worth a read.
Linda: When did you get the idea for this work?
Ly: I realize it’s always been there. I grew up under the threat of a nuclear winter post-Hiroshima, Nagasaki, with countries like England bombing the life out of Maralinga and European nations perpetuating genocide around the world, Agent Orange decimating forests in ways that seem unprecedented, to Chernobyl and Fukushima, to the Murray/Darling decimation. The slave trade’s still very real, and people have forgotten about Bikini Island and acid rain.
But a ritual that a few of us worked back in 1990 was the big trigger. In a waking visionary experience I thought I was in some ancient Mesopotamian desert and I met a person. They talked to me a while. I don’t remember about what. They eventually said, you gotta go back. I said, what? They said, you’re in the future, you gotta go back. I came out of that vision pretty shocked.
Linda: So, you think there’s hope for the future in the face of climate change and the mess we’re making, as a species?
Ly: We need to grow up. Eventually we’ll have no choice. I despise the fear-mongering and apocalypse-hearsay that pervades the news right now. Memes keep saying “we” when they talk of the necessity to clean up our garbage. But that’s a god-consciousness delusion. Earth’s more powerful. How do you figure all that affects my grandchildren? The children hooking in to social media, that is? Most kids are in Yemen just trying to find shelter, just wanting someone to tell them a cool story. We need to teach our kids, not scare them as much as is happening. I sometimes think it’s worse than bashing them with a brick.
Linda: The story doesn’t end?
Ly: Stories don’t end. Not ever. Not really. They just take a breath. Kind of like that movie Fallen with Denzel Washington, about the angel, Azazel—and angel just means messenger, by the way, forget the fluffy-winged or fallen variety, that’s just for kids, like Santa and Jesus—where the entity passes from person to person and the Stones song “Time is on My Side” is the theme.
Linda: So time doesn’t exist?
Ly: Can you tell me when we are? If you remove the construct of dates, I mean? Couldn’t this be a few thousand years after Sabé finds the people in the desert? I mean, I don’t remember the book now (I’ve read from before the internet) but I think it might have been The Head of God where the author writes about the stories of people ascending clouds into the sky, and about a certain bush that burned like an oil well, or like, in Ezekiel where a chariot gets described that, when the description, sent to a colleague at NASA without the author saying what the description was, responded with, Oh, it’s a lunar landing module with more wheels.
Linda: You read tarot. You predict the future. If time doesn’t exist how can that happen?
Ly: Just think for a bit about he idea of the theoretical Big Bang—despite the realization that nothing does not exist—and you were there, right? You’re the product, just now, of the hurtle through space of all that light and all that matter. Only light happened instantly. Now light is both particle and wave, so it can be starlight from a distant galaxy that might not have existed for several billion years as we know years to be, but it’s still here. So are the events that happen to you. As soon as they’ve happened they don’t exist anymore. They’re just a memory. They leave a ghost, of sorts. Something we can gauge or reference if a similar thing happens to us or anything we recognize. That’s why indigenous people around the world keep such amazing records of things.
But many of us haven’t. Or we don’t think we have. But then, which we are we talking about? Just the few literate bits of humanity. And the information is biased. We have only non-literate teachers now. Except science. The point of science is to prove theory, it is not a god and it relies on that which is, and what might be, but that’s beside the point and only if big business or the military hasn’t bought it out.
Linda: I’m in the story, aren’t I? Are you Ghost?
Ly: Everyone can recognize themselves in a real story, or can empathize.
Linda: What’s an unreal story?
Ly: Sad isn’t it? Stories that don’t have roots in the world. That’s what I focus on in my workshops. Ripping the concrete from the flesh of stories that don’t move us, and that harm us and others by forcing unacceptably caged stereotypes into consciousness. I work at that with all my stories, and now I’m doing it to the Brothers Grimm, because of the Pied Piper, and other weird and decipherable wonders.
Q: What about the Pied Piper?
A: In my old copy there’s a date. July 22nd 1376.
Q: Is that date significant?
A: A diaspora of the Jews happened in 1376. They were expelled from Greece. Why is that in a children’s tale? And how is some peasant in the backwoods of Europe going to know about ebony from Africa? Have you hear of Cargo Cult? And what of amanita muscaria on the cover of kiddie’s books?
A friend once said, of the massive fossil fuel revolution, that we’re homeopathically releasing ancient once-living organisms into earth’s external atmosphere. Living people from oh, 650 million years ago? Age of the dinosaurs and all that. Well before a few Ice Age which was only about 2 million years ago and lasted till about 11, 000 years ago. That’s time for you. Curiosity and speculation. We’re actually not quite out of the last one so the concept of the southern pole melting. As in Genesis The Future? Not at all far-fetched. According to the theory of super continents Gondwana, that included both so-called Australia and so-called India, also included the continent of the so-called Antarctic.
Q: So stories are a way of making sense of the world?
A: Stories are the world.